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Poster: cush11 Date: May 12, 2007 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

I loved the video (especially the dog running off with Mickeys leg) and love the song, and was happy to see the Band having the success that I always felt they always deserved... In the long run though I got pretty turned off by the way the whole scene unfolded and found myself staying away more and more.

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: May 12, 2007 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

Cool, thanks for the response. Though a teenager at the shows, I never disrespected the scene and thought that the final tour was insane with all the gate crashing and trouble of sorts. "...the beginning of the end."

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Poster: cush11 Date: May 12, 2007 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

I met many wonderful newcomers during the latter years, unfortunately they were outnumbered by the "touchheads" most of the time...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 12, 2007 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

I'm glad to hear you say that Cush. I didn't get turned on to them until 86 right before it exploded. Just timing because of my age. Didn't see my first show until 89. Anyway, I was always into the music.Don't get me wrong I liked to party too, but not like an asshole. I never had any problem being labelled a Touch Head with any older Heads I met but when people talk about the folks who got into the band then it always makes me cringe. Don't know if that makes sense or not.

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Poster: cush11 Date: May 12, 2007 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

Anyone that was there primarily for the music was never a touchhead...

:)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 12, 2007 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

agreed!

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Poster: high flow Date: May 12, 2007 1:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

Believe it or not, the same thing happened to other scenes too.

Phish's crowd, for example, was very much 'there for the music' and the shows were reasonbly intimate....in a matter of 18 months, they were headliners in the 'BIG' venues as the loud mouths and rude behavior arrived...which sucked.

But, if you there for the music to begin with, what choice did you have. You gotta get yer live fix.

Del McCoury was friggin' awesome on 5/8. Played "You Win Again". Those boys are tops in Bluegrass. Some great recordings here on LMA!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 12, 2007 2:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

I hear you High Flow. I only saw WSP three times and all of them when they were still basically nobody's. The first being a Bill Graham festival in Telluride. They blew me away but I don't know if enough that I'd want to fight a huge crowd of thousands jockeying for their who's the most coolest positions. I saw people playing that shit at a SCI show up here. Gets on my nerves, especially when they band just aint THAT good.

That's great about the show. Man we have a few tasty treats coming our way too.Big Head Todd and the Monsters are playing a SMALL outdoor parking lot gig at a pizza pub/brewery in Anchorage. For the life of me I can't understand why they didn't make the next step. Then one of my all time favorites HOT TUNA! Man I'm excited. I've probably seen Jorma even twice as many times as I've seen the Dead. THEN Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. It's going to be a good summer I can tell. Now if only I could catch Ratdog again.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: May 12, 2007 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

Touch was first performed 9/15/82...i didn't catch it (live or otherwise) until June 83, but i knew it was destined to be their first top 40 hit because of it's super positive "I will get by" message (not that it matters, but i think Truckin only made it to about #60 ???)...no one that i knew at the time believed that a song that "sounds like Bertha" could ever have such mass appeal...many people at that time also felt bummed when Touch pre-empted a chance for a H>S>F or a S>F 2nd set opener (my how attitudes have changed!)

if Jer had not survived the coma, this song may never have been recorded and released or had such a strong personal meaning both for the band and the heads (selected as the 1st set opener for the first show back in late 86)

it is great that wonderful people, such as you stilldead, were first inspired by the fanfare...but like anything, the scene is cool until all the jackasses eventually find out about it and show up to ruin what they can't understand

btw - been thinking a lot about what you said a while back "living is a big word -- you have to make it happen"
thanx

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Poster: rosey842 Date: May 12, 2007 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

Similar to other posters I was just getting into the Dead before Touch broke out. Love the song for it's vibe--as far as Truckin'--don't forget it did go all the way to # 1 in Turlock, CA..... :)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 12, 2007 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

" many people at that time also felt bummed when Touch pre-empted a chance for a H>S>F or a S>F 2nd set opener (my how attitudes have changed!)"

How have they changed? I thought it was a good song and all but I would have much rather have had a Help/Slip, Shakedown, even Bertha. Besides they played it to death.

I will say this - after I heard Hunters version ( from an 82 show ) I appreciated it a whole lot more. A lot more dark and in your face. " I see you got your list out, say you peice and piss off"

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Poster: midnight sun Date: May 12, 2007 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

the "say your piece and piss off" line was also sung by Jer at least once, but i can't nail down the exact show (???)

i guess what i am getting at is that right this very minute there is more than enough H>S>F's and S>F's to stream than i can ever keep up with (not a bad thing)...set lists don't seem to be as big a factor anymore, although now that you mention it, i still find myself >> those pesky Touch's more often than not

if there are 2 things i have not regretted, one is every minute of every GD show attended (at least not in retrospect)...the other is raising children

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-11-07.sbd.connor.5300.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 12, 2007 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

"if there are 2 things i have not regretted, one is every minute of every GD show attended (at least not in retrospect)...the other is raising children "

I hear you 100%. Makes me think about what it's like NOT being able to see the Dead. I need to tell myself that during the times that the kids are being a challenge. Someday they're going to be moved out and I'm going to miss all the chaos I take for granted now.

Unconditional love - it's a beautiful thing.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: May 12, 2007 5:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

there was a gig in later years that he said it ,but I think Portland Me 1982 is a piss off line

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 12, 2007 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

yeah JOTS--Ashes was kind enough to send me many Hunter performances and hearing him do MANY of the songs really gave me a new appreciation for how well they can work as a solo piece. His BoxRain is now one of my favorites; much better one for a memorial, for example, than the more upbeat version by the boys (still gotta love that one too though).

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 12, 2007 1:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

I completely agree! His version of Box is so beautiful. I had some filler on a tape I wish I could find where to get. It had his doing this HUGE medley all centered around Sugaree. I can't remember all the songs other than Sugaree and bluebird but there were probably at least five songs that kept winding in and out of each verse of Sugaree. Brilliant.

Do you have that Anthem to Beauty DVD? I'm sure you do. It has a ton of early footage and good interviews. My soon to be wife was very impressed with the way Hunter described that magical day in England. Of course this made me love her more : )

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 12, 2007 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

Yep--love that movie too. Aren't you and I always going on about that one and Festival? Was thinking that was you...

Are you saying you don't have Box (or all his others) by Hunter? Say the word and we can work something out. We don't even have to post email addresses if you are in touch with Arb or Ashes as they can send me your address.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 12, 2007 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

Yep. That's me and you preaching the virtues of Fesival Express. IMO it is THE best Rock and Roll movie ever. Better than Last Waltz, GD Movie, and Woodstock.

I have a couple of Hunter shows I got from Arb too. The rest of all the Hunter I have ( live wise ) is on cassette. Got any must haves? I wish my tape collection was all digital because I know I'd have something for you then. You have the PERRO sessions I'm sure right?

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 12, 2007 2:48pm
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Thought that was it...I agree completely on Festival.

I am all set on Hunter; I have seven disks from Ashes; he may have gotten some from Arb or vice versa.

Keep it in mind--I could send them along if you want to upgrade to digital, or if we figure out what is different from what you got from Arb, but I don't have the paperwork handy from Ashes and they are just on disk (Ashes and I just don't have the organizational abilities of Arb--his packages are amazing bits of highly organized musical joy and information!).

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 12, 2007 2:53pm
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" (Ashes and I just don't have the organizational abilities of Arb--his packages are amazing bits of highly organized musical joy and information!). "

LOL! Count me in with you too. My organizational skills are lacking to say the least.

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: May 12, 2007 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

Wow, nice words -- Make it happen brother.

(~);-)

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Poster: BryanE Date: May 14, 2007 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

Don't forget that Truckin' did rise straight to the top of the charts in Turlock, California.

They loved 'em in Turlock, and the Dead loved them for that.

Jeez-Did Rosey just say that?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 14, 2007 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

[Cut and paste from the annotated site]:

This from Robert Hunter's online journal, January 8, 2006:

Flipping through a green hardbound 1980 notebook I come upon a run of pages in which I discover "Touch of Grey" - dozens of verses that gradually fall away until the familiar ones emerge. As I read, I'm not otherwise than the person who wrote it down. It's the blear light of dawn after being up all night. I sit at the kitchen table in a 16th Century house in rural England, turning what I feel into images, awash in that writing trance in which I spent, and spend, so much of my life; a place that doesn't have much relationship to the nominal time stream. If I could slip back physically and change anything, perhaps I'd rip out those pages. No getting the genie back in the bottle.

Even this is bound to pass
Not the first, you're not the last
Fortune smiles then turns away
but it's okay
When it goes from bad to worse
Not the last, you're not the first
Today's tomorrow yesterday
So what's to say?
I will get by
I will get by
I will survive
It's a lesson to me
The Ables, the Bakers and C's
The ABC's of the fast ball curve
Trying not to lose your nerve

For me, the song got overplayed and tiresome. However, I was fortunate to be at the Greek on Friday the 13th, 1984, and liked the placement of the song in b/w Scarlet and Fire - not the greatest version, but at least I didn't necessarily hear it coming. (Of course, that was not the highlight of the evening for most in attendance...). Also fortunate enough to be at the "comeback" shows in December of 86 and the opening Touch of Grey carried a hell of a punch, as I think the tune did for many months thereafter.

One last thing - it's bad enough be called a touchhead (whatever that means), but I got the sneers and condesension from being into "disco dead" because the bulk of my shows followed upon the heels of Shakedown Street and Go to Heaven. For some, if you weren't there for the acid tests, you were late to the scene...


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Poster: BryanE Date: May 14, 2007 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

By the way, thanks for passing along Robert's insights. How could he have known that he was opening the flood gates?

"Touch head" is certainly a contemptuous designation, but it's never been a term that I've bandied about. I'm in agreement with a lot of folks here in that I've always been glad to know more and more people did finally get clued into The Grateful Dead. And it's still happening, as my 17-year-old stepdaughter who ranks Throwin' Stones among her favorite songs would be more than eager to tell you. But as I say elsewhere in the thread, when our little secret about the best thing in live music was leaked to the rest of the world, it was a bittersweet realization that nothing would ever be quite the same.

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Poster: BryanE Date: May 14, 2007 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What Did You Think Of Touch Of Grey

Okay, I'll have a go at it. The highlight: Dark Star encore?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 14, 2007 9:36am
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Yep. Phil walks out on stage and says something to the effect of "Be patient. We're going to try something a little extra tonight" (I'm sure the exact words are captured on an audience tape somewhere). Then, they come back on and both sides of the stage have these screens. Anyway, when Phil hit those first notes of Dark Star, a collective roar like I've seldom experienced (Box of Rain break out at Hampton was pretty close) arose from one and all as they went into the song and the screens starting showing images of deep space... Who cares if it wasn't the best version ever - I don't even recall the tune other than the opening notes. I can tell you that vibe carried over for the next two days and then down to Ventura for the next weekend. ... Summer of '84 may get its knocks from heads, but having spent most of that spring, summer and good part of the fall with the band, I sure had one hell of a good time (at least I was enjoyin' the ride)...